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Need help again please

Postby Kites » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:32 pm

There are no 8s in this puzzle, hence the 8 in most cells - some are in pairs and in threes, not sure how to do deal with them? what next?

278,248,578/ 589,6,1/47,3,479
6,9,3/2,7,4/158,18,58
1,48,578/589,3,58/2,6,479

378,38,678/37,458,2/34568,489,1
238,5,68/1,48,9/3468,7,2468
4,1238,1789/6,58,37/358,289,2589

9,6,2/578,1,578/478,48,3
38,138,18/4,2,67/9,5,67
5,7,4/38,9,368/168,128,268
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Postby PaulIQ164 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:49 pm

There's no general problem with a sudoku not having one number present in the clues, nor any particular way to attack that type (that I know of). This puzzle specifically, though, is a different matter. There's certainly nothing simple to do, though it can be solved with the extreme methods that make my head hurt.
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Postby Jeff » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:09 pm

Consider naked triple in row 4
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Postby Kites » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:19 pm

PaulIQ164 wrote:There's no general problem with a sudoku not having one number present in the clues, nor any particular way to attack that type (that I know of). This puzzle specifically, though, is a different matter. There's certainly nothing simple to do, though it can be solved with the extreme methods that make my head hurt.


Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply.
Su Doku puzzles with one number not present are not a problem, my comment was only a bit of information. However, I would like to learn how the tuckle these more difficult puzzles and know which method to apply.
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Postby Kites » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:27 pm

Jeff wrote:Consider naked triple in row 4


Thanks Jeff, but still doesn't seem to get the puzzle moving
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Postby Kites » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:47 pm

Kites wrote:
Jeff wrote:Consider naked triple in row 4


Thanks Jeff, but still doesn't seem to get the puzzle moving


Sorry, I have got. Thanks very much.
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Postby stuartn » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:54 pm

Could you post the original - it looks a bit odd in R4.

Should it look like this?



Code: Select all
 [278]  [248]  [578]  [589] 61 [4578] 3 [45789]
693274 [158]  [18]  [58]
1 [48]  [578]  [589] 3 [58] 26 [45789]
 [378]  [38]  [6789]  [3578]  [458] 2 [34568]  [489] 1
 [238] 5 [68] 1 [48] 9 [3468] 7 [2468]
4 [1238]  [1789] 6 [58]  [3578]  [358]  [289]  [2589]
962 [578] 1 [578]  [478]  [48] 3
 [38]  [138]  [18] 42 [3678] 95 [678]
574 [38] 9 [368]  [168]  [128]  [268]


cos if it does - it falls apart very easily.

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Postby Kites » Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:09 pm

stuartn wrote:Could you post the original - it looks a bit odd in R4.

Ta

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Today's Sunday Times Magazine Sudoku - The superior version (page 51)
... ... .3.
.93 .74 ...
1.. .3. 26.

... ..2 ..1
.5. 1.9 .7.
4.. 6.. ...

.62 .1. ..3
... 42. 95.
.7. ... ...

Not sure what's the problem, please let me know. I have now solved the puzzle.
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Postby stuartn » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:55 pm

I'm hoping that your original transcription was slightly out - either that or my head is.:D

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puzzle starter for Kites...

Postby fang » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:28 pm

I see that over at the end of Row 4 you show a 489. That is the only mention of a 9 for that row, so it must be good. Go from there.

I'm new at this, so don't crucify me if I have the logic wrong.
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