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I am a novice at sudoku, refusing to submit to possible matrix, x-wing and all the other terms I read about. However, I am certain you pros have already discovered this, but perhaps beginners would benefit from my discovery. As you know, numbers appear on a true diagonal and also what I classify as zig-zag to solve a puzzle. If you divide the 9x9 square into cells which I will call, from left to right starting from the top:ABCDEFGHI, you must concentrate on the center linesof the BEH boxes, for those three numbers will dictate the correct numbers that form the true diagonal of the ROWS. Now, for the columns, concentrate on the center of the puzzle, I.E. DEF. .these three numbers dictate the the correct numbers that form the true diagonal of the COLUMNS. Makes solving a lot easier. If anyone disagrees with me, please let me know, but every one I solve seems to have the same feature.[url=mailto:Glolips@aol.com] Glolips@aol.com[/url]

Hi glolipps, Welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing these features. Could you give an example and walk us through it step by step?

Thanks, Jeff. Wish I could send you a pix, but I use a laptop without a scanner or printer. However, let me rephrase my tips for solving.
as you know, Sudoku is divided into 9 bOXES. Take the very center of these VERTICAL BOXES. In each of these 3 boxes, there is a center line in which you will place the proper number on that ROW going across. Of course you will have to find the correct number.But when you do, you will find that these 3 numbers on that row will dictate the true diagonal of the 3 boxes going across in rows only. Now for the columns. In the very center of these 9 boxes , find the center lines that form the columns, up and down or vertical. the 3 cells in each of these three boxes, find the correct numbers. When you do, these numbers will fill out the numbers that must be placed on a true diagonal. Suggest you study some of your correctly solved puzzles, and you will discover that this is a pattern that invariably works. Good luck. Glolipps

glolipps wrote:When you do, these numbers will fill out the numbers that must be placed on a true diagonal.

Where is the true disgonal, buddy?

glolipps, I think I'm with Jeff on this in trying to understand what you're saying, so, I'm posting a solved grid with which you can demonstrate your argument.

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615|249|783
723|618|954
948|375|261
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382|451|697
574|986|132
196|723|845
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239|567|418
451|892|376
867|134|529

I will try one more time and then it is up to you.We will label your puzzle by the 9 BOXES. Reading across from left to right they are ABC
on the top, DEF in the middle and GHI on the bottom. Your numbers in this puzzle on the middle ROW of box B is 618. Your numbers in the middle row of Box E is 986. On the middle row of Box H, it is 892. Do you see where to place this series of numbers on the Boxes of D, E and F?

glolipps wrote:We will label your puzzle by the 9 BOXES. Reading across from left to right they are ABC on the top, DEF in the middle and GHI on the bottom. Your numbers in this puzzle on the middle ROW of box B is 618. Your numbers in the middle row of Box E is 986. On the middle row of Box H, it is 892.

Agreed

glopps wrote:Do you see where to place this series of numbers on the Boxes of D, E and F?

No. Clearly 618 appears in Box F while 986 appears in E because we took it from there in the first place. I can't see 892 anywhere.least of all on the 'true diagonal', wherever that might be.

Have I overlooked something really stupid ?

This is a PM that Glolipps sent me, I post it here incase it helps.
I've also highlighted the sections that Glolipps mentioned.

"Thanks for the solved puzzle. I realize that many people do not understand that this is just another clue which I have discovered to be a pattern.

On the puzzle you sent, can you please highlight the rows only in the very middle blocks and middle line from top to bottom with your numbers, i.e., 618 and 986 and 892. These numbers will give the solver a clue to place the correct numbers across each row of blocks.

The same method is applied to columns using vertical numbers in the middle three blocks placed on a vertical portion of the column. In your puzzle they are 879, 582 and 934. These numbers help the solver place numbers correctly on the vertical columns of each of the 9 Boxes.

I will not be posting again because of the confusion in my explanation and I am disappointed that so many people just cannot grasp the explanation. I will just enjoy my methods and continu to enjoy Sudoku. Glolipps"

615|249|783
723|618|954
948|375|261
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382|451|697
574|986|132
196|723|845
----------------
239|567|418
451|892|376
867|134|529


615|249|783
723|618|954
948|375|261
----------------
382|451|697
574|986|132
196|723|845
----------------
239|567|418
451|892|376
867|134|529

I've asked glolipps not to give up on this.

glolipps wrote:As you know, numbers appear on a true diagonal and also what I classify as zig-zag to solve a puzzle.

Glolipps if you explain the above, 'true diagonal' and 'zig-zag' it might help.
Also no pix's necessary, you just need to type in the numbers.

MCC

You have highlighted the numbers exactly as i explained. Thank you for your expertise in this computerese. Is there anyone out there that can see that this is just another valuable clue to solving Sudoku?Compare any other numbers with the ones highlighted and tell me that they follow that pattern.I refuse to label these numbers as a true diagonal or zig-zag. You tell me. Glolips

glolipps wrote:I refuse to label these numbers as a true diagonal or zig-zag. You tell me. Glolips

It is literally unethical to refuse such a reasonable request after all the procrastination. Would you please stop torturing us?

glolipps in a PM wrote:I will not be posting again because of the confusion in my explanation and I am disappointed that so many people just cannot grasp the explanation.

To be fair, you haven't explained much at all. You've surfaced with what appears to be a promising method, described it using your own jargon and refused to elaborate on the more esoteric sections.

Ever heard of Fermat?

But isn't this kind of fun?
A delicious new Sudoku rule awaits us, possibly ....
but it is held just out of reach by a mysterious individual.

Personally, I don't see anything in there.

You should be able to use the red numbers to generate puzzles. If there is anything to this, then you should be restricted in some boxes to only those numbers, or those numbers should be restricted to only a few boxes. I tried it with just 1-5 in the red cells, but I didn't see anything that interesting. I was just doing it by hand rather than with a computer, though. YMMV.